Is it just me or are the images that yahoogroups uses to verify you are a human, just stupidly difficult. It's taken me four attempts to join a group just now because I couldn't make sense of the images despite my eyesight being 20/20. Are the spambots really at this level of sophistication? Given my recent experience I'd put them at the same pattern recognising level as a child of 10. Just goes to show that all the innovation in AI is being done in the spam and porn industries.