Aztec Monkey:

So, where to go from here? Well, this is certainly the last JSF project I will be working on, and eventually I hope to phase it out of this current one. JSF is web development for Java programmers - those who don’t know much about web applications and even less about HTML, CSS and certainly DDA.

Andrew works with me at Talis :) I haven't yet convinced everyone at Talis that frameworks built to hide the mechanics of the Web are a bad idea but it looks like that's one less to win over.